I got these shoes from and "open box" deal, and the price was great! The open box seemed to simply be a damaged box and the shoes don't seem to have even been tried on. A great deal. They do seem to run small. The heel space is good, the toe is cramped. Admittedly, we currently have snow on the ground so I will update later (if possible) as to the overall walking comfort and water protection. But I like the look, they spikeless option looks solid and I'm not concerned about grip. It's my first go with "Etonic" and I'm hoping for the best.